Episode 28: The System We Call Church

Welcome to episode 28 of The UnSunday Show. At its core, The UnSunday Show is a podcast about the system we call church. To a very large extent, this system has come to us via church history, religious tradition, and theological distinction, not from the New Testament. Mike talks about that system we’ve inherited in this episode. He also makes an exciting announcement about the future of The UnSunday Show. Push Play and join the conversation.


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Episode 25: Law and Order Allied With Religion

Welcome to episode 25 of the UnSunday Show. Let’s talk about your options when living in a Christian sacral society where conformity to the church’s rules is required on the threat of punishment and death for non-compliance. Such was the environment the Anabaptists found themselves in as the Reformation progressed. Like their Roman Catholic counterparts, the church the Reformers created had the power of the State behind it, along with the full weight of the military to enforce the church’s top-down rule.

“Jesus was not killed by atheism and anarchy. He was brought down by law and order allied with religion – which is always a deadly mix. Beware those who claim to know the will of God and are prepared to use force, if necessary, to make others conform.” – Barbara Brown Taylor

Let’s talk about it…


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018 – Church and Ekklesia: A Conversation With Bonnie Petroschuk

Welcome to episode 18 of The UnSunday Show. This episode is a conversation I had earlier today with my friend, Bonnie Petroschuk about her recent journey out of the institutional church and into Ekklesia. In her own words, Bonnie was “Mrs. Church” and was shocked by her own journey as she began to see and understand the significant differences between the two and realized she could no longer stay in the institutional system. I think you’ll be encouraged by Bonnie’s story and parts of it will be like your own.

You’ll find Bonnie’s blog at: http://goodnewsofgodsgrace.blogspot.com/ 

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016 – Bringing Moses To Church

Welcome to episode 16 of The UnSunday Show! I’m taking a short break in this episode from my interaction with Jon Zen’s book because I’m recovering from pneumonia and I don’t have much of a voice right now. So instead, I’m bringing over one last episode from my old Ekklesia Podcast and I’m calling it Bringing Moses To Church, because I think that’s what we do and in so doing, we cause a lot of confusion about how God views us, where we stand with God in any given moment, and how we view God.

In this episode I touch on some foundational topics like:

  • Christ’s ekklesia (or church) never existed historically until Acts 2. 
  • Why does God look so different in the Old Testament?
  • The Old Covenant pointed to the New Covenant.
  • The Old and New Covenants cannot be mixed. They are incompatible with one another. The New Covenant has made the Old Covenant obsolete. Stop bringing Moses to church!
  • The Old Covenant was temporary and historically time-bound.
  • The Old Covenant produced a physical people where only some within it knew the Lord. The New Covenant produces a spiritual people where everyone in it knows the Lord. To be in Christ is to be in the New Covenant.

Push play to hear more! 🙂


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